The Vedic tradition deserves to stand on its own instead of being treated as just another branch of the modern Hindu umbrella.
We shall create and revive a distinct Vedic identity, rebuild a Vedic community, and preserve the worldview found in the earliest Vedic literature on its own terms.
Study the Vedas, study about early ritual traditions, Vedic Sanskrit, philosophy, and the social and cultural foundations of ancient Aryavarta.
Revival will begin with education, scholarship, community, and practice.
Any kind of caste kangers are not welcomed.
Do not derail this thread by caste baits, personal attacks, or endless shit-flinging. That contributes nothing. This is also not a thread for hating mainstream Hindus. Agree or disagree with the idea, but discuss it on its merits.
The objective is simple.
>Build institutions.>Study the Vedas and history seriously>Encourage historical reconstruction instead of mythology debates.>Develop a living Vedic community with its own identity, traditions, festivals, education, and intellectual culture.
BASED!
>वि जानीह्य् आर्यान् ये च दस्यवो>बर्हिष्मते रन्धया शासद् अव्रतान् ।>शाकी भव यजमानस्य चोदिता>विश्वेत्ता ते सधमादेषु चाकन ॥<Aryas shall never mix with the Dasyus, and those (Aryas) who take the rites of (Yajnava) and vows shall decimate those who dont have right to do so (SC/ST/OBC) thus we offer you, sacred fire protect us!>वि जानीह्य् आर्यान् ये च दस्यवो>बर्हिष्मते रन्धया शासद् अव्रतान् ।>शाकी भव यजमानस्य चोदिता>विश्वेत्ता ते सधमादेषु चाकन ॥<O lord Indra who is mighty, cut of the head of those that consume flesh of us human (tribals, ST) and those who kill and eat the aghingya (sacred/cow) (SC) or kills horses, thus innocent>प्रान्यच्चक्रमवृहः सूर्यस्य>कुत्सायान्यद्वरिवो यातवेऽकः ।>अनासो दस्यूँरमृणो वधेन>नि दुर्योण आवृणङ्मृध्रवाचः ॥<Indra who is pure, and light like sun who opens path for us, he who shall caste down all thr Dasyus, one with flat noses (OBC or SC/ST) and dark skin (SC/ST/South india) and unarya languages in origin (Migrants of non PIE speaker, Dravidans) slaughter then with your weapon>Rg Veda, Madala 1, 5, 10
>>737
These are literally word of vedas lol, whar is wrong with saying cow must be protected?
>>738
Anon its high time you realised not every one that disagrees wirh you is a muzzie, proof? Allah ek sasti randi ka pilla, now witness this
>>734
Say that you will never kill cows or you will never consume their flesh nor will you ever condone eating their flesh in name of all the adityas from vedas and in name of the holy sky father Dyaus Pitra (one who is Divyos, and Proginator of Devas/Divy:) or you are from four fathers, by all means
>>743
How? None of the things i have said here are spam, and you can check these literally as they are in Rg Veda itseld, i did not even get to Sama veda, which keeps it even more concise and to point, i even gave you mandala, you can check it yourself, just make OP says, Cows are Aghinya and he will never kill them, condone killing them or eating them either while at it, or he is not from a single farher.
Not everyone who simply offends you is spammer/muslim, read what i gave, you all will learn a thing or two.
How come you all have problem with the vedas themself but want to follow vedism? If you just want imaginary fairh then go fo free masonry lol, none of you read about the fairh you are preaching, how many of you took offence to "not being arya" but fid anyone report this?
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>>747
Look at this and report it if you all have so much issue
>>39992
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Every single one of you are wannabe crypto hindus, you have nothing to do with any of us aryas. You just want some kind of convenient power fantasy. Truth is you are not born an arya because you simply dont deserve to be one. Go report me, i dont give two shits. "Muh Real Vedism, Muh real Aryas" fucking dasyu piece of shits.
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>>751
Yeah you keep spammming same shit on /b/ too, not falling for obvious derailment attempt.
Quoting texts is one thing, using them to insult other users and turn the thread into a caste fight is another.
Please keep the discussion on the actual topic and stop the personal attacks and baiting.
If you want a serious debate on Vedic interpretation who js aryan who is dasyu
make a separate thread for that.
>>758
There is no interpretation here, this is the accepted consensus among not just one but many vipras, in Saraswat community as well. You are only one who thinks there is a wiggle room over here.
Arya are clan that came with orihin of the steppe, they mixed with some IVC, and formed Kuru region, moved to the Panchala, had a war and then they all won. Later they slowly moved to Kashi, and it was at this point solid migrations stopped. It was at this moment Aryas were also eatablished and so were Dasyus.
Dasas in Rgveda are very clearly called to be Dasyu of flat noses, wirh dark skins and unspeakable languages. Flat noses likely reffered to AASI (origin of OBC and the SX haplogroups) which they had due to less cold climates unlike long bridges of the cold envrionment. Dark skin would make lot of sense in harsh sun of nation, and the said lamguage they did not understand was the non PIE linguistics. Migration certainly did happen, it is an objectibe fact.
Now moving futher, he asks us to not go mix with them. He clearly establishes the one who take the rites are Aryas and are one with right to do so. Yajnava here likely refers to Yajnavpavitam, though the thread was later interpretation of it, it was coming of age ceremony.
Futhermore, Shudras a Varna in purusha sukta, has no names origina, Hotra, Udgatr and Advaryu and Bramh became the first one that was Brahmin. Kshetra and their Rajjan: became the Kshatriya while the Vish: (clan) common people became the Vaishya.
Vish were just commoners but they fid not let go "Visya" as label, instead they kept it for themself by end of the Rg Veda, to go seperate themself from Dasyus, and thus servantile class. Dasyus then have also been mentioned as those who kill and eat cows, which too was common among the tribals and dravidans (still is) and further it stayed common among groups like chamar and parayas.
This also will include groups such as the jatts, and gujjars, who also used to eat the flesh of cow when faith was strongly set, as they migrated later. However of these said groups Jatts were considered Savarna at the time, and labelled Shudra for those who adjusted to not eating cows. Jatts have historically been cow eaters and so were gujjars, specially before Arya Samaj as a movement took place. This is why you can see a divide in Jatts of nesrly equall parts of Hindu, Sikh and Islam, the muslim Jatts still eat cow as they always did, as they all were always muslims, these groups divided very early on.
Back to the mandala statement clearly does say Arya must not mix with the people of Dasyus, nor must they let them pass as Aryas, again Indra with the witness here. This explains why there was degree of marriage acceptable abong the dwija, but not among the Shudra, who were Das (per manusmriti) derivative of Dasa.
Further speaking, you can See Indra has strong distaste for Dasyus, those who are known for eating flesh (cannibals that would exist, tribals, sc, st and even OBC) at the time before they got sanskritised by Aryas. Further Indra's own POV says he sought path against the Dasyus as well, talking about guiding Manu.
This is same primordial manu who was the same on which manu'smriti is written in a lot of detail. Needless to say punishment of shudra is an exaggeration that happened or change based on how good relations are, how good they were not, but rest has well stayed the same.
Dayanand saraswati iteration of everyone is arya, or vedism as this thread presents has lost to both Saraswat in Shastric claim and in Kanyakubja (twice) However he did not consider himself below the law of the vedas and still tried to pass it as Astika segment school of thought (its not, as it neglects words of veda)
I am simply stating what i am here, there is nothing insulting at all. OBC will claim that dalits are problem when in reality dalits do nothing to us Dwijas, unless they are put to such thoughts. Land owning OBC are not only resppnsible for crime against them, Dwija are dragged into this.
Not only lot of OBC castes have nothing to do with Aryan tribe (but a few dalit here and there might be actually, like another anon pointed out, since Rg veda shows a chance they sinply fell off due to some displacement of power and were likely Vis) but most OBC, such as Gujjar, Gounder, erc are simply not Aryas, Jatts as well, are bot aryas either, but can be give some pass due to they were distant relatives to the Aryas, though that is also questionable if all of them can be considered Arya or not, so safe to say they are their own thing.
No part of what i said is "insulting" unless it is interpreted as so. You are free to take it as you want or deny it, but you honestly do know this is me being transparently true to vedas.
Choosing hinduism and puranas is much more lenient since it allows absorption in a varna of Dwija, based on Karma, but the Vedas are far harsher and ethnic. Vedism is not the soft nice cuddly gods, not dif the Adityas or Rudras care for worship of the Dasyus, it was by Puranic period they all grew tame amd became fond of it.
This neo hindu bs needs to die down and you all wanna be scholars need to pipe down, lack of proper /rta/ and its effect can be seen in Dasyus who are getting a little too carried away because we stopped keeping them in their place, like our ancestor did once. If you managed to read it all the way down, amazed that anyone here has enough braincells, take some time to reflect upon it.
>>772
doesn't matter
once power is lost, it cannot be regained, apart from jews, i can't think of any civilisational group which has gotten something like israle and still remained true totheir cause
we now must live in this pajeet land, even jaats saying they are aryas was always laughable
especially when they had very deeply concerning matters with respect to how they behaved, they came from persia, and i dont think they can make any good civilisation, kinda like niggers , they lack brainpower
same with a lot of group, one lok at jyotishi, and peopl would realise, the minds who came up with vastu and jytoishi were not simpletons, but puranic times introduced, vishnu mem naam paath , hanuman bich chalisa as remedies which are of no use against fate
if only you could see 1000's of years of puranic carnage against arya brain
fuck, brahmin women today whore just the same while they have no idea of their own lineage , they would even circumcise their own child
even i hate my brahmin bretherin , they won't launch any community to help brahmins, their is no point
here is some tea for you
i have heard from some reliable source that top 3-5 of top kathavachaks of india are actually having very shady past with men (yes even the most famous ones, coming right from managers, everyone knows sports manager book prositutes in local games of ranji trophy etc, similarly, religion is a business, and some trad hindu tantani brahmin sherni are no different)
your culture is dead , though I am still living a darhanik life (maybe the last of my kind, just hoping to find a virgin bride, for i don't want curse of chimerism or telegony)
otherwise we become the last
ps - jew is a slave race of real rulers of egypt , who still live... ours is a defeated civilisation, we can't give birth to the same minds that bharat once housed
>>773
Those are divine rituals. If a culture requires the women to be non virgin i don't see a problem. Many civilization have done those. Why do u specifically target a single and mind you only, surviving pagan religion this is definitely a bad faith argument.
>>772
If you're so determined to preach your nig-noggery make your own thread instead of derailing this one.
See how many people actually agree with you there.
This thread was explicitly marked "no caste bait, no shitflinging," yet you've repeatedly ignored that and turned it into a personal crusade.
Enough. Take it elsewhere.
>>774
non virgin women should not give birth to arya children
telegony and micro-chimerism + chimersim
look into these topics
even fucking yagnavalkya and manusmriti talk of virgin brides only
>>776
you showed your own pea brain by reducing the comment subject to caste nig noggery
your lack of comprehension isn't a proof of depth in the comment
Damn what happened here?
>>772
What are trying to say explain it in short in no more than 100 words you are spamming same obc/sc/dasyu/dravadian
Litreally looks like monke chimping out
>>773
>even i hate my brahmin bretherin , they won't launch any community to help brahmins, their is no point
It's a meme yaar this whole caste thing is a meme and the anons who keep screaming SC OBC think I'm supporting that too when I'm not. And who are Brahmins there are brahmins those who are not priest and there are many brahmins those will not fit into your defination of "Arya" so are they all dasyu too?
If we're serious about building a capable society then restricting capable people from positions of responsibility makes little sense. If people were willing to put collective goals above personal greed we could probably shape a high trust deeply religious society within a few generations.
You can be Hindu just for the sake of being Hindu if your goal is personal karma or spiritual ascent and that's a perfectly valid philosophical path. But that's still a largely individual path.
But as anon >>739 said vedic life demands a lot more than just praying meditating and all that. The vedic tradition wasn't just a religion it also functioned as a complete socio economic ethno cultural framework with duties institutions and a distinct way of organizing society.
One thing I appreciate about early vedic poetry is how vivid parts of it are.
Storms.
Fire.
Rivers.
Whether you're religious or not, some passages are just beautiful literature.
>>790
nah kys poopjeet, indra punished u north indians under muslim rule for inferior bhuddist and jain worship along with purana cuckery.
u will die a inferior subhuman
