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>>61389 none of this DNA age is proven 1. first of all old DNA is not stable 2. DNA doesnt exist when the person gets cremated It's speculation based on skeletal finds , which means based on an extreme selection bias

Its way to fucking early for any this shit man

>>61390 This, also good morning. I have said the same thing a million times by now. If retards could read they would be very mad right now. People never try to factor things like cremation on why we dont see enough remains either. Why lose sleep over an incomplete study? So stupid yaar.

>>61395 Even in the Steppe itself the number of samples is very low Andronovo for example has less than 100 and it doesn't make sense to cremate somebody in the Steppe (because theres no/little wood) so the number should of remains should be very large there

>>61403 >it doesn't make sense to cremate somebody in the Steppe I meant it in the context of subcon to be honest. I will assume what you are here referring to is the pure steppe samples. Maybe pontic caspian one. Though i am a little curious about this. Celtic, Norse, Helenic and our own as well as Slavic faith all had a strong fire worship as well as cremation kulcha. I wont entirely put it beyond reason that cremation in some form may have still existed. I am a little rusty on the archaeological aspect of things. I could be wrong here but my two cents.

>>61389 Afaik there exist non M maternal haplos in India linked to zagros. IVC was intermixing event while steppe was a rape event. Only 60-70ish percent have M haplo.

>>61403 The scarcity of wood possibly made fire more sacred?

>>61416 Bad faith argument. Autosomal dna in people who lack haplogroup on both sides makes it invalid. We can never truly comfirm which group held which and drawing early conclusion is nice for aasi and steppe kangers but has nothing to do with science of it.

>>61417 Would scarcity of wood be a thing for anyone? I dont think they were such a primitive group of people. Atleast the seer/oracle/priests would have a little bit more shamanic value to it.

>>61418 >We can never truly comfirm which group held which Fair enough. But what this posits is that (assuming M is the native one, not an unreasonable assumption given the ubiquity) there are races that intermixed, not raped. So you can either state that AASI intermixed with steppe or we intermixed with zagros. Also, could you elaborate on why it’s impossible to confirm which (maternal or paternal) haplo is associated with which component. It seems to be generally accepted that R1a is associated with steppe. >>61419 Scarcity was the wrong word; I meant utility, fire and firewood kept you warm through the winter.

>>61417 by that logic they could just make wood itself sacred the entire steppe hypothesis is just very weak there is nothing in the steppe , the sample numbers are very low, steppe cultures don't really develop anything (mongolians didnt develop their own language and even their religion was very weak, nomadic african tribes haven't either, even most europeans like the germanics never developed their own language until 800 CE after heavy latin influence and they weren't really nomadic) and no indian story contains a heritage story from somebody entering via the steppes why would people that memorize everything forget where they come from esp. if travelling from the steppes is quite a hard ordeal since you have to cross the hindu kush , thats something you would make sure your descendants remembered whats more likely is that DNA studies are shit 1. there is strong selection bias towards the steppe because cultures with large communities tend to cremate their dead 2. movement going back and forth makes it impossible to reconstruct gene flows 3. high level of infant mortality , so at many points in time small amount of people could repopulate an entire population quite easily , then die again, then somebody else repopulates etc.

>>61420 Haplogroups can't really be assigned to one group or another. They are just mutations on the male Y Chromosome. If you go to Africa and you have the R1a mutation, subsequently every african male in your lineage will also have it. That's all. But you wouldn't say that these descendants are now "Aryans" because they have R1a

>>61418 >Autosomal dna in people who lack haplogroup on both sides makes it invalid Copy pasting from the /pol/ thread: >explain its saturation in peoole who dont have R1a haplo Aryan invasion theory does have an explanation for it. >Steppe males arrive (R1a) >Kill off a lot of indigenous males, but not all (H,L,etc) >Steppe males reproduce with indigenous females (offspring R1a) >The children of steppe males and native female all had R1a >Many surviving indigenous males reproduce with the half steppe kids, thus introducing, H,L, etc back into the genepool. Thus, you do have some people, who despite not having R1a have high steppe.

>>61424 There is no reason to believe R1a comes from the steppe its just that the oldest skeletal finds with it are from there

>>61423 >But you wouldn't say that these descendants are now "Aryans" because they have R1a I unironically do agree with you. Tracing your race by patrilineage (or matrilineage for that matter) is absolutely retarded.