During the vedic time both jati ( caste ) and varna used to exist, you could change your varna not your caste and during that era inter varna marriages were allowed because only Aryas were Aryas that time, right now even ASI monkeys fall in the Hindu / Arya term
Groups who have Zagros/ Steppe haplogroups ( minimum 20+ steppe too ) and influential history are real Aryas
Aryavarta meant north india, more specifically Haryana and Panjab area after the battle of 10 kings, Kuru empire , Heartland of Vedic religion emerged, defeated kings migrated outside and other parts of india,
After Kuru empire got destroyed by massive gangetic floods, Kuru people migrated to Gangu land and started kingdoms there
There was many kshtariya kingdoms there who reject brahmin supremacy and also worshipped Indra
Endogamy in india started 2k years ago exact time when Foreign invasions reached its peak and created more and more diversity, by the time of Guptas or after them, Jati finally took over who were still Arya
Arya means Upper Caste not ooga boga bhangi
>>44908
I don't fully buy this theory. Varna was theoretical and scriptural like confucian 'four occupations' . It is laughable how serious people take religious scriptures when studying history. We had jatis/biradaris (1000s of endogamous kin bodies). The on ground lived reality was a jati system not a varna system. Also the reason you see higher steppe in UCs in gangetic plain has nothing to do with superiority of inferiority. In NW shudras/avarnas (call em whatever you like) like jats, kambojas, arain, gujjar score lower aasi than many UC groups. I think UCs intermixed far more with other groups of equal standing in urban settings in history(like you see today) thereby causing them to score slightly differently than commoners.
>>44908
>Aryavarta meant north india, more specifically Haryana and Panjab area after the battle of 10 kings, Kuru empire ,
? Kuru is Haryana, Panchala is UP, how is Punjab important here lol? You are all so stupid, i would rather marry someone who is south indian than marrying outside my Varna lol. Even Delhi is more significant to Aryas rather than the Punjab, kek. I dont even care for Caste non sense.
>>44919
I already told both used to exist in the vedic era coz they were clearly distinct from the other tribes of shitlamd
Vedic tribes were dominated by Zagros / ivc ancestry and thus ivc haplogroup are also found in high frequency among Upper caste
There was no steppe or very less steppe ancestry among them. Steppe came after the later invasion of steppe groups, they mixed with upper castes and adopted Vedic / Puranic Traditions
Many steppe groups also kept marrying ASI tribes and their descendants are chamars, Dalits etc which became lower caste after the Great Caste Revolution of India after Guptas maybe
>>44909
>Varuna>Brahininical figure
Lol how is Varuna a Brahminical figure? So lord Pushan is a Shudrarchal figure now? a lot lf you are stupid, needlessly hate the south indians, and expect rest of us to do the same. All of you need to read some of your own scriptures before you talk. So stupid lol.
>>44922
This lol, its not that complicated, people do so much needless kanging. If varna is not a real thing then upper or lowest caste itself is a silly term, and anyone should go marry who they please. You all can see this false sense of non spritual purity among those who claim to be descendants of Alexander as well, in a hilly region. They thing they all are high caste blue eyed peoole when all of them live like shit. Every caste things it is a high caste, everyone who is rich is treated like high caste, lol. So stupid.
>>44922
He represents abstract laws and oaths, representing the intellectual and spiritual guidance, and was mostly revered by brahmins,
Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa the polarity between the warrior and the priest is made explicit, Varuna frequently invoked alongside Mitra to represent the priestly, and judgmental commands over the universe
>>44932
>the oldest vedic text is written by panjabis in Panjabi region
Vedas were orally transmitted not written, lol. None of you knows what they are even talking about. Punjab is not even important in vedas lol. Literally second mandala of the veda mentions Panchala, making more than 90% of it being composed past Delhi and UP belt, "muh Panjab" lol.
>>44930
Varna never really mattered tbh. What really mattered was who was in power and jati dynamics. When greeks and kambojas ruled and they did not care about their varna status, brahmins simply labelled them fallen kshatriyas as ad hoc rationalisation. Varna was a scriptural and ritual thing. Communities that did not care about it like jats were simply labelled shudra for convenience even tho they may have chieftains, landlords, warriors among them while rajputs (most of whom have been petty chieftains and farmers and not royalty) were labelled due to dwija status earned by their support for brahmins and obedience of vedic code(such as prohibition of widow remarriage and wearing sacred thread).
>>44935
Forced projection, Agni is the only one that is reffered to as Hotra in in Vedas, and the rest are rulers and force of nature. Evem Indra is shown to have active role in the same tasks lord Varuna does. There was no "This aditya is for this varna" lol, it is so silly, kek. All Adityas, as involed during the samskara laws.
>>44937
Thats one way to put it honestly, i agree, if we go at it neutral jati itself does not really matter and any caste is free to marry any caste really. (as peoole have been doing since eons, and all will demographics will shift and change). Jatis are basically what is in dominance right now, rather than what happens with Varna. Reservation system tries to hard to make being upper caste and varna status same thing. Majority of Brahmins are poorer than majority of the SC/ST, lol.
>>44948
Why don't you go and read kshtariya pov and brahmin pov on them. How Brahmins saw indra and why Vratya Kshatriya still after rejection brahmin supremacy and animal sacrifices, worshipped Indra?
>>44937
>>44937
It's all about genes
Anatolian/zagros farmer or steppe ne har jagah dominate kiya h, no one was granted freedom by god afterall, Zagros conquered north india and built ivc , later their descandants started vedic age and enslaved and forced them to submit to Vedic religion
After that steppe invaded and assimilated into this , even today zagros / steppe groups were dominating
South indian dominating also have zagros ancestry
Africans and it's related ancestry eg Asi is purely subhuman and inferior
>>44945
If you are referring to bala kanda sarga that is divine interference, needless to say if a person is not religious at all, then it does not concern him, if he is not athiest then nothing is stopping him from asking boon, lol, i will go and do penance and become a V1 then, kek, kuch bhi yaar
>>44954
Speaking as individual kuch LODA matalab nhi h , we yearn for greater purposes
We have can have desires, gorimem ki chut mil jaye uske bad kya? Kuch nhi,
We don't need greater purposes, We create it
>>44949
>Why don't you go and read kshtariya pov and brahmin pov on them.
By all means do tell me which mandala has put their "pov" of Adityas based on varna or something, lol. The other anons no Varna, Atheism angle makes far more sense here that each Jati (ethnic group?) married in their own and they are free to marry who they consider the most attractive.
>How Brahmins saw indra
Almost entire Vedas are orally transmitted by Brahmins lol, anything you see on how the Kshatriyas saw them, would also have been written by them, kek. So stupid, makes no sense, what are you, a child? First thing i see after opening Bhach today, i miss RTA, the debates actually were grounded in scriptures on bhach
>and why Vratya Kshatriya
? Vrtya is not limited to Kshatriya, they are never claimed to be specifically Kshatriya, or anything like that.
>still after rejection brahmin supremacy and animal sacrifices, worshipped Indra?
Such as? Can you label which group went out of its way to reject supremacy of some priests with no empire of their own who used to live in huts. (Muh rulers going out way to reject some poor guy that only sees one once or twice a year to give me his blessings)
Lmao, i can go reject the supremacy of some poor priest in the south india, and that would make me feel like a rebel, so stupid LMAO. Literal non sense you kids spout. Brahmins themself never imposed animal sacrifice either, a lot of Kshatriyas abandoned the animal sacrfice instead arround Rajasthan after they took different school of thought.
>>44952
I dont think aasi is real. Its a label that is used as a convenient propaganda to create pan south asian unity. No way my aasi or aasi found in NW is same as aasi found in paniya or irula.
>>44956
Yaar mai bhi toh wahi keh raha hu, if it has to make sense religiously, then "ideally" it makes sense for a Kshatriya to habe a kid with Kshatriya woman whose son will have the best genes from both sides. If we do not care about Varna, then just go for the gori mem or something. You think i care about muh regional caste in chota saa village, with bottle neck genes, rather than my wife being physically attractive? Wont i just marry a Garhwal Rajput instead? It just feels like right compromise for me beteeen
>Only marry muh regional bottle neck jati and become manlets>Marry outside muh meme regional neck and marry someome outside
No, i can atleast marry whatever is rajput equivalent outside of my region, and if that is out of question just move out, lol. No one cares about jati and varna that much, everyone will happily take gori mem, all jeets should strive for gori mems.
>>44959
"AASI" has never been some kind of one solid geno, its sort of used to push for the muh meme invasion theory, of Aryan vs Dravidians, to target UC's, and fuel some chowmeinism, nothing more. Phule did it, and so did ES ramaswamy, and it has just stuck ever since.
>>44961
If your whole identity depends on a DNA calculator, maybe the theory isn't that strong. You're calling normal endogamy some unique genetic catastrophe when it's something societies have practiced for centuries.
And the switch from Vedic purity to I marry whoever's available is hilarious. You guys spend more time arguing over haplogroups and ancient caste fanfiction than doing anything that matters in the real world.
>>44968
>You're calling normal endogamy some unique genetic catastrophe
Endogamy is catastrophe though, we all just stopped our migration and got genetic bottle neck, ojr shoulders, musculature jaw width has suffered from it. Endogamy is just about not giving your daughter to the others, whoever is strong has much more sucess spreading their genes this way. I do not care for this haplo nonsense.
If i dont care about vedic purity, then there is no reason for me to stick to my region, why should i? Kings have married literally greek women, you think they cared about it? Lol, so silly and forced.
>>44968
>ancient caste fanfiction than doing anything that matters in the real world.
I dont even visit this site that often, i am here after weeks, and it is as stupid as i saw it last time if not stupider. What is with this "You guys" moral high horse?
Nothing i said here is wrong. Stop caring about this regional caste nonsense, if you dont care about religion, try to marry the most beautiful woman you can find in the world, if not world in continent, if not the continent in the subcon.
Endogamy is just about who sees sucess in reproduction, if you are tall, strong and beautiful and you all dont care much for religion, then dont even care for entire muh Varna, marry whoever is the most beautiful, if you do care about it, then try to marry someone somewhat similar.
>>44971
>ojr shoulders, musculature jaw width has suffered from it.
You just have subhuman genes. Nothing to do with endogamy. Genes are not improved by muttification but by sexual selection and other forces of natural selection wiping out dysgenics like war and famine.
I am going to my job now, you all can do as you please, go marry gori mem, go marry a kashmiri muslim, jo marry a pahadi hindu, i dont even care personally, may you all dont happiness, or something, peace.
>>44973
>Nyo anon you can not marry gori mem>Projection Projection more Projection>Muh psuedo racial ethnic epic science
Lol, literal retardation, anyways night folks
>>44972
So either marry the best or don't marry at all?
Because endogamy promised mate, if we go by mordern day dating standards and disregard endogamy and arranged marriages most of jeets are gping to die virgin
>>44977
Endogamy is actually a 'selfish genes' phenomenon. Your genes spread more if you breed with a mate with shared genes. Unless you are ugly subhuman who needs to upgrade his dysgenic genome, marrying out is genetic suicide but in that case i suggest they rather rope than proliferating dysgenic genes so gene pool can be purified.
