>A mother in the northern Indian state of Rajasthan has been arrested for allegedly selling her daughter for 650,000 rupees ($12,000; £7,611).>The mother said she sold the girl to raise money to repay a fine of 450,000 rupees ($8,383; £5,317) imposed on her by the village council, police said.>Police arrested a couple who allegedly bought the girl for trafficking. Desperation and poverty often drive people in India to sell their children and many girls are also trafficked.>Police say the girl was sold a month ago, but the crime came to light when she tried to run away from the couple. The alleged buyers chased her, but she managed to enter a restaurant where some people noticed her and called the police.>The girl told the police that the couple who had bought her had beaten her and were planning to sell her to someone in Mumbai.>"We arrested the mother of the girl and the two buyers, Tarachand Jat and Santra Devi," Rakesh Verma, head of the anti-trafficking unit in Tonk district, said.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-21191819https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-21191819
>>222861
She needs money and why are you trying to attach "dotter" as it's a sacred thing for them? Poor people know they can make another child. She is likely selling it to a infertile couple.
>>222883
Most child prostitutes comes from poor families, most prostitutes comes from poor families for that matter.
Anyways this news doesn't seem like sex trafficking, reads like an infertile couple case.
If you can't understand how poverty and desperation can lead people to do such things, then there's no point in this convo. You lack the basic ability to model emotions and its like trying to make a toddler understand quantum physics.
>>222861
>a fine of 450,000 rupees ($8,383; £5,317) imposed on her by the village council,
The fuck? What kind of village lets this happen? I have never seen this shit in my village life.
>>222886
Using poverty as excuse to subhumanity implies everyine will act like that if poverty hits. I assure you the difference in subhuman and human being becomes apparent when the times are tough.
>>222889
>everyine will act like that if poverty hits.
Name me one poor country where this does not happen.
And no, don't tell durr poor people in Japan or some other global North don't do this. The poorest 10% in OECD nations live the same quality of life in richest 10% in developing countries like India. Their poverty is not even comparable. These kind of stories were pretty common back when these countries did have abject poverty.
>I assure you the difference in subhuman and human being becomes apparent when the times are tough.
Were you ever hopelessly and desperately poor?
>>222895
Apparently not enough to make a child to sell it, it seems, and i have to feel ashamed of it for not being subhuman as well apparently, i am talking about the individuals, not entite populace, do not make bad faith arguments. It only weakens any argument you had further.
>>222897
You are not even making any arguments for me to be arguing in bad faith. You are just throwing a tantrum that poor people exist while I explain basic socio economic principles.
>>222898
Then let me remove finance from the said equation entirely.
>In Gujarat, police recently rescued a 26-year-old woman who was allegedly sold by her own husband for Rs. 50,000.>The accused, identified as Nikesh Patel, first tried to tell police that his wife had gone missing. But during questioning, investigators said he eventually confessed that he had arranged to sell her because he disliked her.>Police alleged that Patel, along with accomplices, lured the woman away under the excuse of travelling. She was then allegedly handed over to other men and kept in confinement.>After being rescued, the woman told police that she was gangraped and sexually assaulted during captivity.https://www.brut.media/in/articles/a-wife-sold-for-rs-50-000-a-child-exchanged-for-10-sarees-what-makes-women-victims-of-human-traffickinghttps://www.brut.media/in/articles/a-wife-sold-for-rs-50-000-a-child-exchanged-for-10-sarees-what-makes-women-victims-of-human-trafficking
What was the poverty point here, and if this is different from that feel free to explain how so, once we remove that both had bad faith members who did the same thing, reduce an individuals life, for personal gain, regardless of what that gain was for. How is it that castrating them is a bad thing.
>>222861
What's so mindboggling about this?
I would sell my daughter too
Well buying and selling of daughters happens everyday in the name of contract called marriage yet we remain oblivious to it
Having a daughter is itself so defeating you won't wanna have any other choice
You know what, just to make a point, i know this thread is not about that, but i will do it anyways. Here is an another one.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/sold-by-mother-for-rs-16k-10-saris-12-year-old-raped-by-buyer-auto-driver/amp_articleshow/131296487.cmshttps://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/sold-by-mother-for-rs-16k-10-saris-12-year-old-raped-by-buyer-auto-driver/amp_articleshow/131296487.cms>A 12-year-old Bihar girl allegedly sold by her mother “for Rs 16,000 and 10 saris” to a 40-year-old man from Chandauli in neighbouring UP was repeatedly raped by him after a sham temple marriage, only to be abandoned and preyed on by an auto driver in Varanasi before being rescued.>Investigators said Chandauli’s Lahru Yadav alias Rakesh, a widower, went to great lengths to stage the sham marriage, reportedly spending around Rs 90,000 on a hair transplant in farway Delhi to appear younger --- nearly six times the sum he allegedly shelled out for the child.>The girl’s statements before Child Welfare Committee, where she was brought after locals found her roaming and crying in Varanasi’s Sarnath on May 21 and alerted Uttar Pradesh cops, revealed a chilling sequence of trafficking, sexual assault and abandonment. The mother, Yadav and auto driver Ravi Verma were arrested Saturday, days after a case was filed in Sarnath.
PLEASE explain why and how is this not an innate problem, and how is this one also a result of poverty. Yes i get it this diverses, and i admit that the first case OP gave had clear case of financial burden, i addressed it.
Does it justify selling a child? NO, you should be forcibly spayed if you do it. You are NOT fit to have a child, at all. Now that out of picture, even if we say thats just in hopes that the girl would have had bette future, fine and fair lets for sale of argument agree.
What was the case here??? Why the fuck is spaying people like this not a good idea. I will whole heartedly like to understand, because i think a lot of anons seem to he against idea of this.
>>222900
Again, don't dodge the question
Were you ever this desperately poor like the OP case?
>In Gujarat, police recently rescued a 26-year-old woman who was allegedly sold by her own husband for Rs. 50,000.
This is mostly a result of patriarchy. Sex trafficking is common in every country (like Epstein) because every society is patriarchal and women are mostly valued for what they can serve men for. Which is an entirely different issue. Even people who might be disgusted at this sees women more or less as objects to varying degrees. They might not have sold her but they might have abandoned her if she didn't behave like a 'proper wife'.
Once again, if you can't grasp this basic reality, no point in this convo.
>>222903
>Well buying and selling of daughters happens everyday in the name of contract called marriage yet we remain oblivious to it
Kek, too high IQ for inch.
>>222912
You can't selectively prevent crimes against children when you can't also percent crimes against all people.
Child sex trafficking can't be solved if sex trafficking itself can't be solved and sex trafficking itself can't be solved if we don't stop treating women like objects and trophies.
This is what subhumans like you fail to grasp.
>>222915
>Child sex trafficking can't be solved if sex trafficking itself can't be solved<Child trafficking was not case of a sex trafficking in case A
Red herring, stick to point. The point of discussion is "what makes a man or woman act like this towards their own children" compared to those under the same nurture, and poverty, who do not do this.
Refrain from using words you dont understand.
>>222916
>Red herring
Please stop using buzzwords you don't understand the meaning of.
You were the one who diverted the topic from a woman selling her daughter to an alleged infertile to pay a loan to a topic of a woman being sold as a sex slave by her husband.
Don't go around seething when people talk about the topics you diverted the topic to.
>>222920
If you are too retarded to form a legit argument admit so, its ok to be intellectually inferior, putting on pompous air is not making you seem any less of a retard.
>>222920
you're trying to explain patriarchy to literal nonge-ponge. no amount of re-education or institutionalisation can solve this problem. this issue isn't getting resolved without the use of force.
>>222921
What do you want me to say? Durr kill all poor people and chamars and validate you to satisfy your little ego?
Sure negro, if you want to believe it's low IQ that is causing me to disagree and if it helps you sleep, sure lmao.
>>222923
>a fact, idea, or subject that takes people's attention away from the central point being considered
If you are soo lacking in self awareness that you can't even see the irony in posting this to me, then try pasting this conversation in an AI and ask what your reply here >>222900 would be called as, you retarded sub human.
>>222925
>Durr kill all poor people and chamars and validate you to satisfy your little ego?
When have i mentioned chamars in any of these? Not everything is about your insecurities, do not vomit the buzz words you learn, on this site. Go save it for for local debate so retards will nod and clap for you.
Again, learn the word, be first in your entire bloodline to do so, then come back when you have the basic ability to read, and bring subjective points to argument.
>>222928
>When have i mentioned chamars in any of these?
Its pretty obvious you have them rent free in your head 24x7.
>Again, learn the word, be first in your entire bloodline to do so
Again irony here is delicious.
Either you must be pretending to be retarded or actually retarded.
But from this >>222931, I'm guessing you're most likely pretending to retarded because you're at least somewhat self aware how much you'll get BTFO'd if you did this.
>>222924
I would further like to add, i do not care about retards thinking this is about chamars and what not. If they think it is, thats your thought and it is your confirmation bias based on what you know a community from.
Like i said, both tribes that i have now put come from same socio economic groups. Even outside it, not every other yadav is selling her daughter, not every jat is selling daughter and definitely not every patel is selling his wife.
However what seperates the one who do it from those who dont. As well ss why do certain tendencies seem far more prevalent in certain groups, as a whole, than other groups, as well can see with baiga tribe who dont have any such custom or practice.
>Its pretty obvious you have them rent free in your head 24x7.
Its evident that you believe that for some reason leather workers have a tendency to sell daughters when a lot of these groups have nothing to do with all of them and have much diverse backgrounds. My personal suggestion stop being so centered arround caste, or maybe try being less inbred.
>>222940
behn chod iss forum pur kuchh bhi ho, pittey aakhir maen chamar hi haen kek.
is either one of you even a chamar. i genuinely feel bad for you if you are.
>>222938
I'm comfortable in my sexuality, no thanks for your concern.
>>222940
>My personal suggestion stop being so centered arround caste, or maybe try being less inbred.
What a delicious projection lmao.
I was not the one who diverted the conversation towards caste lol. I was pretty content with sticking to socio economic explanations and it's pretty obvious from your seething at me and replies at other people why you made this thread.
Putting seethe of retard aside, i will get to the point again and we can come back to thr crux of subject.
What was the trigger point here is the financial issues, but we see a very clear dimorphism, which almost a lot of anons seem to be afraid to admit for some reason. Focusing on the tribe known for selling their underage girl into sex work.
>During British colonial rule, the British enacted the Criminal Tribes Act of 1871, branding entire nomadic and tribal communities as "hereditary criminals".>Evicted from their lands and banned from performing, they lost their livelihoods. To survive, families turned to intergenerational sex work, eventually institutionalising it so that eldest daughters were expected to enter the trade to support the household.https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s41257-020-0027-5https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s41257-020-0027-5
We can see that this was not always the case as these tribes clearly had a means to survival in past. Their core work being musical work where they were put in severe and horrible case of starvation.
>>222941
Kek true, I don't blame them if they spam this place because every conversation here devolves in to accusing the other for being a chamar or muzzie.
>>222945
Back to the point and enough of the derailing.
We see that before the pressured criminalisation these groups, they all were doing well, which makes one thing very clear that the nurture parr was trigger.
However that leads us to question in what is the "said" trigger and how did it become prominent in the said group over time and additionally are there other groups also going through this as we speak?
Back to point. What makes the said difference which made tribals such as baiga stick to honest work under the hostile situation, but turn the entire groups like Bagdi into sex workers.
It boils down to the hypothalamus, a word some of you may be familiar with, while most likely would be hearing it for the first time. To put it simply, it is the primary brain structure which is pretty much responsible for forming bonds with children.
It can also act as fabric for social bond over all, but the core element is "YOUR" children. How developed this part is often corelates with how developed human brain as whole.
Thus similarly, lower developed brains with smaller hypothalamus tends to exhibit non humane and much more animalistic traits. Lets call then square and triangles.
This part works by producing and releases oxytocin, the hormone that works in a different manner from the much known buzzword among most mid wits "Dopamine". It forms fond, actuall, meaningful, bonds.
Tbh there is also amygdala, the rational bit like prefrontal cortex and so on. However that will be too much for this thread, so we will skip that to help those with lesser capability for understanding, squares and triangles are welcome.
Now, does biology make a difference in how your brain is structured? Thus does it make a difference in how you treat your Children?
To put it simply, yes. However we will talk about it some other day. As well as talk about how to actually help a community that experiences this as a social challenge, unlike what most square and triangle would assume that is killing each other for some reason.
"How can we, HELP these groups" and actually tackle it in a way that is not putting them in perpetual suffering helping them find a new niche. Untill next time, atul suprabhat.
