>varna has nothing to do with genetics
This is said by lots of people when asked why they are dark skinned and claim superiority?
My question is: Was Ambedkar a Shudra or Brahmin? Seriously asking
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All lower castes are highest aasi for their region.
They maybe lower than south indians but that cope still doesn't work.
Also nw lower castes have no significant achievements showing their AASI origins.
>>202843
Imo metaphorically and philosophically that Ambedkar's vast scholarship, intellectual output, and dedication qualify him as a "Brahmin" based strictly on ancient textual definitions that link varna to guna (qualities and actions) rather than birth.
>>202846
that was true in vedic age. we are not in vedic age anymore. endogamy wasn't a thing then
he was a scholar who was of dalit origin. proffesion means varna in a sense
when u say was scholar brahmin. u are saying is chai tea
but meaning of chai isnt brahmin anymore. meaning of all these words have changed
earlier they used to point to people who did that proffesion. now they point just to the community who did that in past
>>202852
Varna system of ancient india has nothing to do with modern system of castes and jatis, modern system is a larp built upon it, over 1000s of years it has degraded.
>>202858
this also implies the varna triangle means nothing now if it did Ambedkar would be brahmin
the hierarchy of was profession which the brahmins abused even after its meaning had ended
>>202862
You may disagree with Ambedkar I do too. But he was one of the few intellectuals of his time. As per vedic law he clearly qualifies as a Brahmin.
>>202866
Thanku. Hierarchies exist everywhere and it was a good system in Vedic times. People abused it and turned it into by birth as written in Geeta aa well
>>202869
yes i forgot brahmins are only scholars of religion and handooism thing by definiton
as scientist or scholar even by varna defintion wont be a brahmin
the varna system was made according to what they deemed is most important to god and who does most chakri of handoo gods
>>202873
even in older times non religious scholars would not be classified as bruhmans. basically any scholar who does useful shi instead of pujari giri
>>202868
Sadly it doesn't.
>>202869
>caste in lundia is by birth
As per govt. documents it is
>no he won't cuz his scholarship was in bullshit and not religion
So his PhD in economics is bullshit and his work on religious structures of varna and caste is bullshit as well? Or his Buddha Dhamma book?
So only people who worship vedic gods are Brahmins?
>>202876
yes its true the kaum who did the pujari giri also did most scholary cause they were equpiied with learning and wiritng
but by definition if a scholar does not do religious stuff and suppose does math like aryabhatta it automatically disqualifies them from being a a brahmin
>>202873
Okay so Brahmins means scholars only in religious works? Ambedkar worte many books on religion, then he qualifies. If you disagree then all those Brhamins worshipping abbo gods including new age Radha cult followers, sai baba etc. aren't Brahmins as they don't worship Vedic goda anymore
>>202881
gauss or eluer did gr8 math
they arent deemed some father of math either
ambedkar laid foundation for a gr8 nation else we do be a in a higly segregated and low iq shithole
>>202879
Varna is dead already. Caste exist in complex forms not as monolith
>Most of his works are third rate yes
That's your interpretation, every work after vedas like puranas is third rate as well. Who's worshipping Indra anyways?
>>202884
Everyone considers Gauss and Euler among the greatest mathematicians lmao, lundbedkar was literal nothing in front of such personalities, as I said nowhere in the world lundbedkar is considered a scholar.
>>202884
>ambedkar laid foundation for a gr8 nation
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>202885
even vedas are. a buch of tautology and nothing burger texts
name one thing useful from veda that ur typical redpill or whitepill channel does not preach
>>202885
>>202885
>That's your interpretation,
No, that is basic knolwdge, nowhere in the world is ambedkar considered some great scholar in anything.
>every work after vedas like puranas is third rate as well.
where did I say that?
>>202876
The religious work you are talking about have evolved so much you don't even know how vedic people used to worship.
>>202883
Ambedkar did great for his community whether you like it or not. He has intellectual capacity to think and pursued people, his work made millions of people follow different path of dharma
>>202887
u are low iq actually
framework for this nation isnt biased towards any one group doesnt make it a cess pool. or else it do be like pak where non muslims cant be president
>>202893
yeah but ambedkar has literally nothing do with any of that, current system of lundia was mostly designed the british and then by khangress govt.
>>202888
We are just discussing is Ambedkar qualifies as Brahmin as per vedic rules or not?
>>202891
Okay he's bad for you. Got it.
Brahmins who rejected vedas for puranic abbo gods worshipping aren't Brhamins then?
>>202895
he was one of the key architects of constitution still
if u hear the arguments of Gandhi one of the key people in INC on varna n all u do realize we dodged a bullet
>>202897
you are claiming things which i haven't said, stop strawmanning.
1. nowhere in the world is lundbedkar considered a scholar.
2.no one considers him an authority figure on anything related to economics or buddhism.
that is all I am saying.
>>202886
So only worshipping in Vedic way and doing only puja rituals make you a Brahmin? So these Radha cult followers aren't Brahmins? Or those who do rituals in Shirdi Sai Baba?
>>202897
he wont be ever per vedic rules. any person who does scholarly work outside religion is not a brahmin as per Vedic definition too
yes u can be a brahmin who does both faith and science work. but theology is necessary department
>>202903
i just told u brahmin means a priest. u know what's meaning of priest write ? someone who caters it all to belief of god and devotes his work in his seva
only handooism existed in india back then. even a maulvi is a priest aka a brhamin by vedic definition
>>202907
So those Brahmins who worship non vedic gods all day long aren't Brahmins at all, as they worship dasyu abbo gods? Ambedkar disqualified because he wrote a book on Buddha and worship him?
>>202902
he was deemed the greatest man in indian history by millions of votes and modern day scholars in a 2012 poll
just search on google "greatest indian man"
>>202915
doesnt matter if they worship tribal gods as per vedic defintion they would be brahmin aka priest
but themoment u do only non devotion scholary work u arent a priest so not a brahmin
>>202910
Okay hold on so a maulvi in India is a Brahmin(preist). Ambedkar wrote a book on Buddhism preached about it, became a monk as well, but he doesn't qualify?
>>202908
you are again strawmanning.
>>202913
>random tabloid poll
yaar anon
>>202919
buddhism worships buddha, and ambedkar established a new buddhism where he deified himself.
>>202923
there are gorillion books written on buddhism by gorillion other people
>>202926
you just keep strawmanning
>>202927
buddhists literally worship body of buddha, the stupa is his body
In ambedkarite buddhism, ambedkar replaces buddha, and ambedkarites today worship ambedkar.
>>202934
>buddhists literally worship body of buddha, the stupa is his body
In ambedkarite buddhism, ambedkar replaces buddha, and ambedkarites today worship ambedkar
Do you anything about Buddhism and how many interpretation they have? How may demigods they cooked up?
By your logic any person who made non Vedic gods more important to Vedic ones aren't Brahmins?
>>202934
Bro Hindus made new Gods every year and worship them. Brahmins make new chants and chalisa for them. This new wave of Radha Rani cult is just 300 years old. I guess they aren't Brahmins then kek
>>202928
see majority of rishis ( brahmins the aryans ) had their work focused on ritualistic practice. sacrifice to god, exact ritual specifications
devotion to vedic gods. hindu texts till this time weren't there as vedas were mostly oral
from these few bridged over the superficial rituals and dwelled in the forest living asetic life. these philospehrs who transitoned from superfical rituals came up with conecpts such as atman and brahman ( the ultimate reality). they were called Aranyakas i believe
>>202891
>nowhere in the world is ambedkar considered some great scholar in anything.
biggest cope out here. books that ambedkar wrote are part of core ivy league curriculum. ambedkar was great in all of the realms that he touched. all of your knowledge about him comes from a hit piece written by shourie about him.
if you ever read of ambedkar, and not just in law but also in econ, you'd know how astute and academically he was. another cope that retardos like to LARP is that ambedkar wasn't the chief architect behind the constitution and it was some other lala who steered it from the back seat.
it's not true. fortunately for us, all 12 volumes of the constituent assembly debates are recorded in state archives. you can read 'em and see for yourself who really united india under our common law.
>>202879
>his works are third rate
he's never read anything from ambedkar at all. that is for certain. probably just a shit-eating nation-hating pot-bellied pig like the rest of 'em.
>>202941
and? ambedkarite navyana is the same thing, declared himself god, there are pilgrimage sites related to him, where ambedkarites go to worship him, ambedkar kept the hindu tradition.
>>202939
north indians brahmins are less related to eachother
in south india brahmins came late and were just migrants of north india
in north india different aryan tribes divded work among themselves. all were genetically same at start but later sepreated
>>202949
That's my point, Ambedkar was a Brahmin by varna(don't deny) and he was made into an Avatar as done for thousands of others by Hindus. Pilgrimage sites are made by Modi tho
>>202959
yeah. don't argue with these shit-eaters, man.
they're going to send vibrations of their mantras that are going to jerk your cock nonstop if you don't stop kek. these people have vibrations for everything.
they're all guided by psuedo-science and fallacies. if you ever sat down and started debunking (and recording) every thing false and bogus about what they preach, you're going to get a book more voluminous than the constitution itself.
>>202947
1. There is no core unified ivy league curriculum
2. None of his books are part of mandatory Core curriculum at Columbia University, Rest colleges have nothing to do with him
Even in India, his works aren't part of any core curriculum lmao
All this can be easily searched on Google.
I will never read anything written by him cuz he just isn't that influential in literally any field.
You are a brain dead lundbedkarite, and unlike dumbedkar Arun Shourie is an actual scholar, who pointed out facts just like me, no contemporary Intellectual or Freedom Fighter considered him anything other than a stooge.
>>202954
Dumbedkarites are literally going on pilgrimages every year to worship him lmao
>>202959
My point is simple dumbedkar is not considered a scholar anywhere and by anyone aside from his dumbedkarite religionists.
>>202961
average dumbedkarite lives in the filthiest shit infested slums in this world
>>202966
1. never said that there was a unified curriculum. just said that his work IS a part of core curriculum at columbia, his BAWS columes are recorded in the harvard library system, he has his own section at LSE as well. you don't know what you're talking about.
his work isn't just a part of 1 curriculum but of several (anthropology, global studies, human rights, etc.).
2. ambedkar's works are a part of indian collegiate curriculum as well for several degrees.
>can be searched on Google
then go and search it, no? shit-eater.
>I will never read anything written by him cuz he just isn't that influential in literally any field.
i know that you haven't read anything from him. if you did, you wouldn't have shitted up this thread like you did.
>Arun Shourie is an actual scholar
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i knew where this shiteater was coming from. stop chugging on pee, bozo.
>>202966
So Arun Shourie is a scholar who's entire life is went criticising one guy? Not Ambedkar who wrote on origin and condition of rupee, a thesis on economic policy of British economy?
Entire new work on Shudras, problem in Hindu society, a new interpretation of Buddhism. He isn't a scholar
>>202974
>you haven't read anything from him
not even his most ardent nachaniya chamar fans have read him.
As for rest, as I said earlier, he isn't considered an authority figure in any field.
>keep calling me names>dumbedkaritehttps://theprint.in/opinion/columbia-university-teaches-ambedkars-biography-but-few-in-india-have-even-read-it/221442/https://theprint.in/opinion/columbia-university-teaches-ambedkars-biography-but-few-in-india-have-even-read-it/221442/
>>202977
arun shourie was a shit-eater just like this retard. gods cursed him with a retarded son for exactly these types of drivel that he peddles.
>>202979
>considered an authority figure in any field.
he's so confident even though he's never read anything from the field or anything from ambedkar. his evidence for his shit-ups is a song a prayer that it all please, just, might be true.
>>202978
>>202961
there is no point in arguing with a dumb person bros
just leave him at that. the thread already hs enough material to debunk his hundred more asseertion
its reminder you cant argue with a dumb person he wont be cinvinced
people like him have very recently chugged up on some pajeet bharti and swatantra bhardwaj "dalits owned" vid. there case cant be helped
>>202986
Ambedkar literally mindbroked these people. Hope they understand he was just working for better of India and his people. They can do that for their community of they want
>>202984
>25 books
no one's read the other 24 kek.
just for comparison, shourie's a product of DU and syracuse (some third-rate, predatorial ameritard college).
shourie's high point in life was to get appointed as a journalist for a lala-run paper. he thinks there's any comparison in between these 2. things these hobos yap is astounding.
>>202986
this hijda would continue using his fallacies and when all of us are fatigued of explaining him he would probably think him having last reply means he right kek
>>202985
already said he is a populist figure, largely revived by BJP, he was so popular when he was alive that he lost an election from an SC seat.
>>202982
will say it again, his works aren't part of any core curriculum at Columbia Universiry, 2 of his books are taught in certain specific courses, but only if you take them
>>202986
I don't worship dumbedkar, just like vast majority of population on this planet.
>>202988
Lundia is a turd world hellhole country and will remain so, largely because of 76Iq avg dead weight population, it doesn't matter if they do randi nautch for lundbedkar.
>>202991
>>202993
>>202996
yawn
>>202999
wtf do you think core curriculum is? if you pick a degree and his work isn't a part of an elective subject then it is by definition CORE curriculum. you're a fucking moron.
>largely because of 76Iq avg dead weight population
you're literally that 76iq dead weight around here.
>>203001
ask his lundbedkarite religionists to declare him a brahmin.
>>203003
I will say it again, his books aren't part of any CORE curriculum.
you don't need to read him to become anything other than a lundbedkarite ideologue.
>>203009
>declare him a brahmin.
So you have to be declared as a Brahmin?Hmm
And sorry that you failed govt. exam but reservation isn't responsible for that.
>>203012
>So you have to be declared as a Brahmin
if not, then why are you asking me?
Last government exam i gave was JEE Main, back in 2024, got 99.87 percentile, admitted in my state's NIT, have no plan of giving any dehati babu exams in future.
Never required reading dumbedkar at any point, is a part of any curriculum.
>>203009
here you go, mandbuddhi. wasted my time for you. turns out, columbia is the ONLY ivy league that maintains a core curriculum and turns out it DOES have ambedkar on the core curriculum.
>https://blogs.library.columbia.edu/global-studies/2019/04/15/speaking-truth-to-power-dr-ambedkar-and-columbia-university/https://blogs.library.columbia.edu/global-studies/2019/04/15/speaking-truth-to-power-dr-ambedkar-and-columbia-university/
ambedkar's even got a bust there kek. this, i genuinely didn't know.
>>203021
he's virtually everywhere, in all of the 8 ivyies. waiting to hear where GREAT SCHOLAR ARUN SHOURIE is taught kek. who even knows of him outside of your shit-eating circle-jerk of a vibrational frequency driven hovel.
>>203021
>>203022
the rejerbhation bros at my hostel floor with semester backs should have taken specialised courses in african and south asian studies at columbia instead of engineering, future sahils in making.
>>203031
obviously, the LCs aren't following the path that ambedkar laid for 'em but it's the most tired lie that i've heard coming from the edgelorded RW lately that ambedkar was anything but exceptionally gifted in his fields.
>>203034
you don't need to declare him as anything. it'd be, like, a sin to his cremate to try and reclassify him as a brahmin.
